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Post by Spike The Pool Dominator on Mar 18, 2022 8:02:09 GMT -5
This is the only way IU is going to get back to respectability fast. We have players currently who get starter/rotation minutes who do nothing statistically, and not much help from the rest of the roster. We need players who can start and deliver numbers, and a stronger overall roster with an emphasis on 3 point shooting. The coaches should be meeting right now to prepare conversations with each player - basically saying (except for TJD and X) you were either statistically insignificant or you werent good enough to play so you don't have a roster spot. Geronimo, Galloway, and Bates probably stay....maybe Phinisee. But IU needs roster spots for transfers that are proven starters. Tell Leal and Lander (and Stewart for that matter) they can go play for suck ass Archie Miller who recruited them, and either simply not renew Durrs scholly or just tell him if he stays he wont play. Those conversations should open up roster spots immediately to make us stronger throughout the roster which must happen. And - we use the portal for complete proven big minutes players - not role players. The model for appropriate use of the portal is X - he started for Pitt and averaged 15 and 5 assists there.
In 57 minutes, Kopp/Stewart/Phinisee were 1-13 from field with 4 rebounds and no assists. And for the season (Phinisee was hurt for some of it) theirplay in no way justified the minutes they got
Talk about the travel schedule all you want, but IU does not have good enough players to compete for a BigTen title/advancing in March. I believe Woodie can take care of this, but it has to change now.
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Post by Commish on Mar 18, 2022 10:00:44 GMT -5
^^^^ this. p.s. Ask Spike about how is High School team (he's the coach) did this year.
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Post by PoolBully on Mar 18, 2022 12:26:35 GMT -5
So replace the guys we got last year via the transfer portal with better guys from the transfer portal?
Seems reasonable.
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Post by Ed Van Halen on Mar 18, 2022 12:45:24 GMT -5
1000 percent on board with #TheSpike.
And hugs to Steven Harold for breakin' it on down.
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Post by Spike The Pool Dominator on Mar 18, 2022 14:41:19 GMT -5
By way of example, in the last 2 days, Sam Sessoms from Penn St, Jaydon Gibson from NC State, and two Huggins quitters (starters) from WVU entered the portal. They should all be contacted by IU and offered especially Sessoms
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Post by tstew on Mar 18, 2022 15:18:04 GMT -5
By way of example, in the last 2 days, Sam Sessoms from Penn St, Jaydon Gibson from NC State, and two Huggins quitters (starters) from WVU entered the portal. They should all be contacted by IU and offered especially Sessoms none of those guys are very good, need to get better than that out of the portal, otherwise we are going to be in same situation we were in this year starting 2 or 3 guys who are not at the level of talent that is needed to be a top 25 squad. |
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Post by Spike The Pool Dominator on Mar 18, 2022 15:35:23 GMT -5
Huh? Sessoms 27 minutes 11.6 points 3 reb 2.7 assists and shoots threes at 42 percent? A proven commodity - He is better than any guard we have except X. Gibson is 6'10".
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Post by Ed Van Halen on Mar 18, 2022 16:02:18 GMT -5
My old IU amigo I watched last night's debacle with was talking up Sessoms as well. Senor Spike is on his game.
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Post by tstew on Mar 18, 2022 16:08:22 GMT -5
Huh? Sessoms 27 minutes 11.6 points 3 reb 2.7 assists and shoots threes at 42 percent? A proven commodity - He is better than any guard we have except X. Gibson is 6'10". Yes he is not a very good player, I don't know how else to say it. you can throw stats out all you want, but Sessoms isn't going to cut it and won't really even play if X comes back (which is unlikely). Sessoms is basically Kopp but can shoot a bit better off the dribble. Again, not really the type of player that would cut it starting for a top 25 squad....starting at Penn State, sure. But, should/would be an 8-10 minutes per game at IU, which is what Kopp and Stewart should have been this year, we just didn't really have much better (though certainly our bench guys should have gotten more minutes, but Trey and Robb missed quite a few games due to injury).
Just have to get players than the second or third best guy from a lower tier Power 5 team.
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Post by tstew on Mar 18, 2022 16:09:46 GMT -5
Huh? Sessoms 27 minutes 11.6 points 3 reb 2.7 assists and shoots threes at 42 percent? A proven commodity - He is better than any guard we have except X. Gibson is 6'10". Like I said, if this is as good as we can get, we won't be any better than this year, simple as that. |
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Post by tstew on Mar 18, 2022 16:22:54 GMT -5
This is the only way IU is going to get back to respectability fast. We have players currently who get starter/rotation minutes who do nothing statistically, and not much help from the rest of the roster. We need players who can start and deliver numbers, and a stronger overall roster with an emphasis on 3 point shooting. The coaches should be meeting right now to prepare conversations with each player - basically saying (except for TJD and X) you were either statistically insignificant or you werent good enough to play so you don't have a roster spot. Geronimo, Galloway, and Bates probably stay....maybe Phinisee. But IU needs roster spots for transfers that are proven starters. Tell Leal and Lander (and Stewart for that matter) they can go play for suck ass Archie Miller who recruited them, and either simply not renew Durrs scholly or just tell him if he stays he wont play. Those conversations should open up roster spots immediately to make us stronger throughout the roster which must happen. And - we use the portal for complete proven big minutes players - not role players. The model for appropriate use of the portal is X - he started for Pitt and averaged 15 and 5 assists there. In 57 minutes, Kopp/Stewart/Phinisee were 1-13 from field with 4 rebounds and no assists. And for the season (Phinisee was hurt for some of it) theirplay in no way justified the minutes they got Talk about the travel schedule all you want, but IU does not have good enough players to compete for a BigTen title/advancing in March. I believe Woodie can take care of this, but it has to change now. So, while I'm at it, here's where things stand with this year's guys as far as I know. First off, we do not lose anyone automatically with covid extra years, etc, everyone technically has eligibility. But, we have to clear 3 to bring in Gunn, Banks and JHS.
Race is very like leaving to go play in Europe (85 percent) Rob wants to come back, but not really sure he will come back if he isn't starting (from what I've heard) 50/50 Stewart is gone (90 percent) Xavier was brought in and told it was one year per agreement with coaches, but....things change, and I have no direct connections to him, so not really sure but let's put him at 50/50 Kopp - again no connections to him, hear he wants to return. Hoping at best if he comes back he isn't guaranteed a startign spot to return (like he was guaranteed to come here in the first place) Durr - He will likely be back he has already used his one trasnfer without sitting.....so can't see him leaving to sit out another year and is worth 8-0 minutes per game
TJD - Lean towards the NBA, but that's a Light Lean at best as he has great NIL deals and injury insurance. But, if he projects late first/early second I do not know why he would stay (which is where he is projecting now). 50/50 Galloway - 100 pecent returning Leal - 100 percent returning and is a huge off the floor leader on the bench and in practice Geronimo - not sure was going to transfer but seems to have found his role, no connections to him, but surprised if he were to leave Lander - Going,going gone Duncomb - Probably going going gone Bates - unsure, has all sorts of personal things going on (new baby, family loss and issues), but has a HUGE ceiling
So......if TJD leaves we'd need a starting big....though that isn't hugely important with the way woody wants to play Could use another guard with handles if X leaves obviously and certainly if Rob leaves. JSH can run the point, but probably better off without primary ball handling abilities
Woody has plenty of time to evaluate who is coming back and to build a team much, much, much more suited to his playing style than this squad.
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Post by Spike The Pool Dominator on Mar 19, 2022 11:24:50 GMT -5
Not saying any of that is necessarily wrong, just other thoughts. TJD and IU didnt do enough for TJD to go pro - if he returns probably a lottery pick. He was not named an All American after being put on pre season lists. "Could use another guard with handles"...like Sessoms. Kopp needs to be on his way, and you say Stewart is so that's good. They need to pull out the stops to keep Geronimo and should be the only returnee to get a "guarantee"(besides X). We all like Galloway but he can't shoot which makes him a liability. Four or Five established stat producing starters from the portal will cause other current roster players who cant do shit to make decisions. Difficult conversations have to occur with players at every level, and this one is no different. If Jalen is as good as everyone says that solves a problem but he is a true and that can be tough.
If Kopp(a horrible disappointment), Stewart, Race, Lander, and perhaps others split or get told they wont play causing them to split, that should create the room for the recruits and the necessary portal help.
And F Ted Valentine
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Post by feds on Mar 19, 2022 11:27:08 GMT -5
Replace Kopp, Stewart, Duncomb, Race and Lander for tall athletes and shooters. We roll next year.
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Post by tstew on Mar 19, 2022 12:06:28 GMT -5
Not saying any of that is necessarily wrong, just other thoughts. TJD and IU didnt do enough for TJD to go pro - if he returns probably a lottery pick. He was not named an All American after being put on pre season lists. "Could use another guard with handles"...like Sessoms. Kopp needs to be on his way, and you say Stewart is so that's good. They need to pull out the stops to keep Geronimo and should be the only returnee to get a "guarantee"(besides X). We all like Galloway but he can't shoot which makes him a liability. Four or Five established stat producing starters from the portal will cause other current roster players who cant do shit to make decisions. Difficult conversations have to occur with players at every level, and this one is no different. If Jalen is as good as everyone says that solves a problem but he is a true and that can be tough. If Kopp(a horrible disappointment), Stewart, Race, Lander, and perhaps others split or get told they wont play causing them to split, that should create the room for the recruits and the necessary portal help. And F Ted Valentine TJD will never be a lottery pick (let alone first round) for all kinds of reasons..the most important being his age at this point. Again, he has two great NIL deals and insurance, so he has a tough decision to make. Honestly, there' s a fair amount of evidence that IU is actually better without him. Otherwise, what Federman stated is pretty accurate, need more athletic shooters (Banks and Gunn seem to fall into this mold), dominating bigs aren't really the key to success in hoops any longer. Purdue's success is more to the emergence of Jaden Ivey as a.....Athletic shooting wing.
Bates posted a tweet last night that seems to indicate he is returning, so Geronimo, Bates are a good start, like having Trey as an athletic ball handler who can drive.....add JHS and the other two frosh, we are off to a good start. Grab a big if TJD goes, a guard with handles if X goes and a couple more Athletic wings who can shoot and or drive the ball and score and we are in good shape. But....they have to be high quality guys. Sessoms isn't the answer, I'm sorry I really don't know if you have watched the guy play, but he isn't the caliber of player that is going to get it done at the level you want to be at. Good player, just not an upgrade.
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Post by tstew on Mar 19, 2022 12:30:27 GMT -5
And while we are citing stats to support our conclusions:
KOPP last year with NW: 31.5 MPG, 33% 3 point, 3.1 REB, 1.1 AST, 11.3 PPG
KOPP two yeas ago with NW: 32.3 MPG, 39.6 PPG, 3.5 REB, 1.2 AST, 13.1 PPG
SESSOMS this year 27.7 MPG, 42% 3 Point, 3.1 REB, 2.1 AST, 11.6 PPG
SESSOMS last year with PSU: 20.7 MPG, 28.1% 3 Point, 2.0 REB, 2.3 AST, 8.2 PPG
Conclusion: Sessoms had a good shooting year...may be a better shoooter than Kopp and certainly better assists, but not really seeing much to that leads me to believe there's a vast upgrade here over KOPP unless we absolutely need someone to handle the ball. Just saying, good player....on a shit team. I'd prefer more elite Power 5 guys or pure studs from Mid Majors or D2.
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Post by feds on Mar 19, 2022 12:53:39 GMT -5
Like most Kopps, Kopp is stiff as all hell, but he's tall. Too stiff to matter, but he is tall. So, different needs. I'd love a quick/crafty guard with a great shot. Sessoms is short at 6', so he is an add to the back court IMHO even if he reverts to 33% outside. Our backcourt, did, in fact, often miss the broadside of the barn. So, I'd let Sessoms in the gym for a close look at his shot and a convo.
Though, that said, I'd like to think their are better options.
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Post by Ed Van Halen on Mar 19, 2022 17:44:25 GMT -5
Shit, I want the Kopp from two years ago if he's poppin' fo' forty each night.
"KOPP two yeas ago with NW: 32.3 MPG, 39.6 PPG"
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Post by PoolBully on Mar 19, 2022 18:26:46 GMT -5
I think you guys are really onto something with this “get tall, athletic guys who make shots” plan.
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Post by feds on Mar 20, 2022 13:36:36 GMT -5
You simplify too much, bully boy. Quick shooters and tall athletes. Those are two types, not one ultra super quick athlete that can shoot. My point is that we lack elite athletes. Our shooters were slow as fuck. 2-4 we had near glacial foot speed.
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Post by Ed Van Halen on Mar 20, 2022 18:55:11 GMT -5
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